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		<title>By: Is the ICC at fault? &#124; Mark Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is the ICC at fault? &#124; Mark Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] painfully obvious, in the case of this particular &#8216;betting scandal&#8217;, that the scandal has less to do with betting than it has to do with outright fraud. Equally,  it is evident that the problem in question is not in any way exacerbated by the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] painfully obvious, in the case of this particular &#8216;betting scandal&#8217;, that the scandal has less to do with betting than it has to do with outright fraud. Equally,  it is evident that the problem in question is not in any way exacerbated by the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I accept it would be a bit definitive if you read it as a sweeping statement covering every instance (although that is not actually what was written, although I have now clarified the ambiguity). I am trying to make the point that people too easily excuse the fact that only sportsmen can impact results, by saying that they are all coerced by threats and violence. Historically, this has patently not been true; nor is it likely to be the situation in a world where sportsmen are given such education at such an early age as is offered by the ICC to promising young players. More often than not, by some considerable distance, the driving motive is greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I accept it would be a bit definitive if you read it as a sweeping statement covering every instance (although that is not actually what was written, although I have now clarified the ambiguity). I am trying to make the point that people too easily excuse the fact that only sportsmen can impact results, by saying that they are all coerced by threats and violence. Historically, this has patently not been true; nor is it likely to be the situation in a world where sportsmen are given such education at such an early age as is offered by the ICC to promising young players. More often than not, by some considerable distance, the driving motive is greed.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonthefixer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonthefixer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark

[i]&quot; I don’t buy the argument that says that if a player is involved, it will only because he has been coerced against his will: there are protections in place to prevent that, particularly as part of the ICC’s programme. If a player has done what is alleged, it will be for personal financial gain – period[/i]

I think you have perhaps simplified that a little. I am not saying that all players are doing it because they are coerced against their will. But to say it can only be for financial gain, period, is wrong.

There are many circumstances where the protections in place to prevent players being coerced would not work. I will give two examples (I am not saying they apply in this case):

1. A male player who is married with children was to be filmed/photographed in a compromising situation by the people trying to get the player to do something.

2. The people trying to get a player to do something may know that the player is Gay and have proof. The player may have a family, have not told their own family, it could be against their religion.

Both of the above the player would be unlikely to want the authorities to get involved and if by agreeing to do something that is relatively minor and unlikely to be detected may be willing to do it to keep their &#039;secret&#039;, secret.

As I say I am not saying this applies to this case but I understood what you wrote as applying in general as in that these things are always done for financial gain - perhaps I misunderstood you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark</p>
<p>[i]&#8221; I don’t buy the argument that says that if a player is involved, it will only because he has been coerced against his will: there are protections in place to prevent that, particularly as part of the ICC’s programme. If a player has done what is alleged, it will be for personal financial gain – period[/i]</p>
<p>I think you have perhaps simplified that a little. I am not saying that all players are doing it because they are coerced against their will. But to say it can only be for financial gain, period, is wrong.</p>
<p>There are many circumstances where the protections in place to prevent players being coerced would not work. I will give two examples (I am not saying they apply in this case):</p>
<p>1. A male player who is married with children was to be filmed/photographed in a compromising situation by the people trying to get the player to do something.</p>
<p>2. The people trying to get a player to do something may know that the player is Gay and have proof. The player may have a family, have not told their own family, it could be against their religion.</p>
<p>Both of the above the player would be unlikely to want the authorities to get involved and if by agreeing to do something that is relatively minor and unlikely to be detected may be willing to do it to keep their &#8216;secret&#8217;, secret.</p>
<p>As I say I am not saying this applies to this case but I understood what you wrote as applying in general as in that these things are always done for financial gain &#8211; perhaps I misunderstood you?</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Pakistan betting scam allegations &#124; Mark Davies -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Pakistan betting scam allegations &#124; Mark Davies -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Tim Crow, markxdavies. markxdavies said: Been up since 5.30 because of Pakistan betting allegations! http://tiny.cc/wnkya [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Tim Crow, markxdavies. markxdavies said: Been up since 5.30 because of Pakistan betting allegations! <a href="http://tiny.cc/wnkya" rel="nofollow">http://tiny.cc/wnkya</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: World Wide News Flash</title>
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		<dc:creator>World Wide News Flash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 08:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Pakistan match-fixing allegations &#124; Mark Davies...&lt;/strong&gt;

I found your entry interesting do I&#039;ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)...</description>
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<p>I found your entry interesting do I&#8217;ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog <img src='http://www.markxdavies.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;</p>
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